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[Jared]

Hi Everyone,

This is my first post...just a quick background.  I started meditating 6 months ago and noticed gradually the movement of prana or kundalini from my abdomen all the way up to my head.  It's gotten progressively more pronounced, of which was not my intention when I first mediated...in fact, didn't even know what was happening to me until I read it on the internet.  So far no major mystical experiences or anything, mostly sensations and emotional changes.

So in the past few weeks or so, the spontaneous controlled tightening and breathing morphed into some major Yoga experiences.  I had never done yoga before, but there was definitely something inside me that knew what it was doing, everything from vocalizations to postures to the "fire breath" etc etc, for over an hour.  Here are my comments/questions on this and I would LOVE to here from anyone on this since it's my first post.

1)  Who or what is doing this???  I don't think it's the "goddess", but perhaps an ancient yogi spirit moving my body around to help with the flow of energy?

2)  I've read that it isn't necessarily good to "raise" the energy through hatha yog, but instead to just let it run it's course if it awakens, BUT I feel so compelled to let this happen and let the energy take me over into postures.  However, lately the yoga breathing and postures are all aimed at raising the kundalini.  It makes me go for a while, then it pauses and during the stillness I feel the energy rising.  It seems very intellegently focused on raising the energy inside me.

3)  So far I have not had any energy movement in the spine, it's all been through the middle of my body and hitting all the chakras.  Seems very physical for me at this stage of development...any comments on that...sound like normal energy flow?

Thanks for reading!

Jared

[Mystress]

  Hello Jared:

1)  Who or what is doing this???  I don't think it's the "goddess", but perhaps an ancient yogi spirit moving my body around to help with the flow of energy?

  The Kundalini is the energy of infinite intelligence, and it knows how to move you to clear your stuff and get the energy moving.  I call it Goddess, which is traditional but you can call it whatever you like.

  The movements are called kriyas, and just let your body flow with them.  Body knows what to do.  That is part of the idea of surrender, once the energy wakes it does the yoga better than you could.  So the advice to stop applies to people trying to force the energy, not for when the energy takes over and moves you. That is great stuff!

   Blessings..

[sushi]

This is really an interesting question for me to, who or what is doing this, what is this energy that moves the body into various postures and so on.A lot of people say its the kundalini itself which causes it , and with me it did start at the same time as kundalini awakening for me.But I identified it with latihan because I had been reading about latihan at the time.And latihan is just allowing yourself to be possesed and moved around but the universal spirit or `let the whole work through you` .Bapak Subuh, the indonesian mystic who founded the subud movement in was coming home one night after work when he saw a bright ball of light enter his body and then began moving his body into varoius postures,after his enlightenment he spread this energy around the world and passed on the `latiahn` to other people .Often there is a lot of clearing and a feel to clear oneself out with this energy, for me personally Ive had enough of that,although I do feel the whole process has helped me spiritually I,ve grown tired of feeling like screaming all the time and dont actually now how to stop the energy anymore it all just happens on its own.Anyway kundalini or latihan I guess it all comes fro the same source, and ultimately leads us all back to our true source.Eventually.

[sushi]

Someone gave me the not so great idea of black spirits getting in when the kundalini is open. I always trusted the kriyas and meditation and the transcendance it brings.I dont anything about harmfull spirits `getting in while open in meditation` but find this idea not to be very beneficial to anyone who meditates or has `active k`. Any comments?

[Jared]

Mystress,

I never thanked you for your response, but better late (by 8 months) than never...THANKS!  That provided me with a level of comfort as the whole process was unraveling and still is.  I've had so much more develop since that post, especially in the way of difficult and intense Kriyas, as blockages try to move up and out the crown Chakra.  I never imagined by body could tense up so violently, as if I'm squeezing something out of me through the top of my head.  I recall many times literally choking on the "gross" (for lack of a better word) feeling energy rising out of me through the throat chakra.  Sometimes the Kriya would end for the night in a break down of tears, as the blockage is cleared.  I've been drawn back to your site today, and have been reading the information on Tummo Fire.  I plan to try this out with Sigmund soon, in the hopes I can burn some of the blockage away versus having to expel it in many more exhausting Kriya episodes.  Thank you for the extensive information on your site.  I've always found your writings about Kundalini and the spiritual process to be the best out there, at least for me.  It completely resonates.

Blessings,

Jared

Sushi,

Thanks for your response.  I agree that the thought of dark spirits ever being the cause of body movement through Kriyas is unsettling at best, and I would never buy into it.  Over the last 8 months my own experiences have only lent more credence to Mystress' enlightening explanation of the energy.

[Mystress]

 Jared wrote: I recall many times literally choking on the "gross" (for lack of a better word) feeling energy rising out of me through the throat chakra.  Sometimes the Kriya would end for the night in a break down of tears, as the blockage is cleared. 

  With that sort of energy I sometimes get "barfing kriyas." Nausea, I go to the bathroom as if to vomit but usually just energy is expelled, rarely lose my lunch. Sounds awful but it is an easier release to just go with the flow and let yourself go through the motions of vomiting the bad energy.

  Be thankful for tears of release, they are beautiful. Blessings...

[Gustaf]

There is actually a yogic shatkarma where you fill your stomach with saline water, and barf it.  I've done this when my stomach feels imbalanced and something needs to come out. It is amazingly rejuvenating, both physically and to get the energies out.